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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow
Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.
Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.
Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.
My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.
As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.
I already knew about ringnecks before I got another, there was no problem beside the birds age, I was lied too and was told he was 3 years old but it was wrong and I don't want an old bird which will probably die in about 10 years from the condition he was in the first place, there's nothing wrong with breeding ringecks as long as it's done properly and the breeders are thought as pets FIRST.
I do care alot about my birds and you can't say I don't.
As for this thread if you don't like my comments then block me for all I care.
As for falconry, I have already been offered a free training course, I could buy my falcon right now if I wanted but I'm waiting till we move and I get many, many lessons done. I also know a hawk is not a ''pet'', I would use it for hutning when I get my licence, not just for that but falconry has been somthing I wanted to do all my life and some comment of yours is not going to stop me.


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I suggest we take this to Pm or start a new thread as you seem to think still that your actions are appropriate.


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Everything has to die sooner or later, that's stupid taking your life for a dog.
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Did you know the couple at all? Did you know of their lives? I doubt it. They may not have had any family left, they might have been depressed and ill but this dog obviously was everything to them.
You can't tell how much people have a bond with there pets, I know when Sassy leaves me, I will be depressed, very depressed. Some people can't just get a hobby and get over depression. It's a very serious illness and can take time to heal.
There are people in this world who have NOTHING but their pets to hold onto and bring joy to them, and if you aren't one of them then I suggest you don't talk and state such a rude opinion. Maybe it's just a dog to you, but to some, thier pets are their whole world.


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Originally Posted by Argranade

As for falconry, I have already been offered a free training course, I could buy my falcon right now if I wanted but I'm waiting till we move and I get many, many lessons done. I also know a hawk is not a ''pet'', I would use it for hutning when I get my licence, not just for that but falconry has been somthing I wanted to do all my life and some comment of yours is not going to stop me.
Don't falcons hunt other small birds? That's odd. Why would you want to use one bird to kill another? You are so proud of your "bird saving" skills, yet you want to hunt and kill them? You got SO mad at everyone when we didn't freak out and want to kill the pelican to save the pigeon it tried to eat, yet you would let loose a falcon or hawk to go kill another bird or pigeon....that's quite a contradiction.
Since I'm into dogs rather than birds, that would be like me taking my dog out to look for smaller dogs to kill.....that's kinda sick.


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Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.
Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.
Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.
My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.
As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.
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Kym, I cannot tell you how much I agree with you. LOL, me and you seem to agree with each other alot.


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Originally Posted by Maltese_Love
Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.
Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.
Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.
My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.
As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.
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Kym, I cannot tell you how much I agree with you. LOL, me and you seem to agree with each other alot.
Hugs!
Great minds think Alike!


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Argranade, if you care about birds so much, then why don't you just keep an amount you can handle and not go off rescuing every bird in need. You can't save all of them, and you shouldn't try.


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I read the story and though..."How wonderful they had the dog for 13 years. The dog must have given them great happiness and a reason to live those 13 years."


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Did you know the couple at all? Did you know of their lives? I doubt it. They may not have had any family left, they might have been depressed and ill but this dog obviously was everything to them.
You can't tell how much people have a bond with there pets, I know when Sassy leaves me, I will be depressed, very depressed. Some people can't just get a hobby and get over depression. It's a very serious illness and can take time to heal.
There are people in this world who have NOTHING but their pets to hold onto and bring joy to them, and if you aren't one of them then I suggest you don't talk and state such a rude opinion. Maybe it's just a dog to you, but to some, thier pets are their whole world.
No I did not know them and never said I did, depression can be as long as you make it. It's those people who take the longest that need seriouse help before it's too late. Yes it does take him to heal but if killing your self comes into mind don't get another pet EVER!
Yes I do infact love my birds almost more than anything in the wolrd, there what make me feel happy every single day, I would be a looder in a box if it was not for birds and other animals. I just happen to love my life so much I think it's foolish to take your life for an animal even if your world was around them, everything has to pass one day and I think it's a wounderful thing.
Argranade, if you care about birds so much, then why don't you just keep an amount you can handle and not go off rescuing every bird in need. You can't save all of them, and you shouldn't try.
Why don't you just stop while your at it? or is that too hard for you ....
Do you honestly think if I see a little injured sparrow on the road I won't go and help it?
This is a bunch of bollocks.
Don't falcons hunt other small birds? That's odd. Why would you want to use one bird to kill another? You are so proud of your "bird saving" skills, yet you want to hunt and kill them? You got SO mad at everyone when we didn't freak out and want to kill the pelican to save the pigeon it tried to eat, yet you would let loose a falcon or hawk to go kill another bird or pigeon....that's quite a contradiction.
Since I'm into dogs rather than birds, that would be like me taking my dog out to look for smaller dogs to kill.....that's kinda sick.
Yes I was pissed off about it then but now I honestly don't care,
Yes I like saving birds but I don't mind falconry, I want to handle it and I will.
It's not sick it's nature, learning about falconry will be very hard but I'm up to the chalenge even if it means seeing birds/rabbits being killed, I have watched a few hawk hunting videos and now watching them over and over again it does not bother me. Falconry is a beautiful hobby, it's also a safe way to keep the pest population down instead of using poison which is the worst thing possible. It seems very weird I geuss because I love birds but you don't have to hunt pigeons with a Harris Hawk if you don't want to, hunting can be done from once to every day of the week but the HH has to be weighed before taking flight or it will fly off. I know it's not a pet also, these birds are never to be hugged or kissed.
Most BOP owners choose not to go after pigeons because hawks can actualy get sick from eating them, NOT saying there a dirty bird as pets .. it's hard to explain.
Now if you don't like my comments just don't read them, everyone has there own opinion on life so take or or leave it.


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Wait wait.....seriously....you don't mind the idea of falcons killing other birds, but when an article came out about a pelican eating a pigeon you went ballistic?
I also don't appreciate the comment about "depression can be as long as you make it". People who suffer from depression have to deal with the "get over it" attitude from outsiders all the time, and it's one of the most cruel and painful things one could say to another person....to imply that they WANT to feel that way, that they could just "Get over it" if they chose.
I really feel for this couple. I would be lost without Jasper, and I've only had him eight months...


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Wait wait.....seriously....you don't mind the idea of falcons killing other birds, but when an article came out about a pelican eating a pigeon you went ballistic?
The pelican seemed weird and not natural to me but I don't care now,
''NOW'' I don't CARE! then I did ... people can change there mind on things.
Sometimes people feel sorry for them selfs also then get depressed,
Anyways I'm no depresed doctor, I'm just stating my opinion.


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Originally Posted by Argranade
The pelican seemed weird and not natural to me but I don't care now,
''NOW'' I don't CARE! then I did ... people can change there mind on things.
Sometimes people feel sorry for them selfs also then get depressed,
Anyways I'm no depresed doctor, I'm just stating my opinion.
No but I am a Dr that deals in depression. Along with it's attributes.
Again I reiterate, you are not qualified to make blanket statements.
Seek help.


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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow
I suggest we take this to Pm or start a new thread as you seem to think still that your actions are appropriate.
I think a thread should be made as I have a couple things to say.


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I don't know the background on the couple that hung themselves, but I do know it was a sad loss. It was sad for the friends and family of the couple; a death of any sort is terrible.
One thing that keeps coming back to me as I read the news clip is the term childless couple. I really feel that this could have attributed to the immense sorrow that led to such a tragic end. Perhaps they were unable to have children and they portrayed the role of a child in their life upon their dog in. If they raised their dog for 13 years and treated it as the child that they could not have, I could not imagine the sorrow and hopelessness that his loss would cause. There are so many other factors that seem to point to this: a burial ceremony and a feast with friends. It seems that this "just a dog" was much more than a simple pet to this couple and that the loss was too much for them to handle. I’ve seen the life fade from an elderly woman’s eyes while her husband of many, many years was laid to rest. I almost feel that this dog’s death brought on similar feelings to the couple and that it was too much for them to bear.
Either way I feel that it is a tragic loss to friends and family and we will never know the reason behind their decision.


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Originally Posted by Argranade

No I did not know them and never said I did, depression can be as long as you make it. It's those people who take the longest that need seriouse help before it's too late. Yes it does take him to heal but if killing your self comes into mind don't get another pet EVER!
Yes I do infact love my birds almost more than anything in the wolrd, there what make me feel happy every single day, I would be a looder in a box if it was not for birds and other animals. I just happen to love my life so much I think it's foolish to take your life for an animal even if your world was around them, everything has to pass one day and I think it's a wounderful thing.
Depression is not "as long as you make it". Come to think of it, my brother has a form of depression, but I'm not sure what it is. He got it after he went to Iraq because he said he was so shocked by the brutal deaths of his friends and some people in his unit. If depression was as long as you make it, then people could just stop being depressed whenever they wanted and for the most part that isn't true at all for this illness.
I see you love your birds, but they aren't the world to you like some peoples pets.
I just happen to love my life so much I think it's foolish to take your life for an animal even if your world was around them
That might be to you, but people have different opinions, you don't understand someone's postion until you've been in it and I'm sure if you were in it then you wouldn't be spouting such bologna. Some people, although it is sad, don't believe they belong in this world and they have no one except their pets. They have no family or friends and their pets mean EVERYTHING to them, and I'm just assuming this couple was one of those people. I also agree with cmayer13's post. It's beautifully written.
And really, you don't want to even get me started on why you choose to do falconry.