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Hi, Just looking for a little advise for a friend. I hope you can see this picture I've attached and that it came out ok after i resized it.

Anyways, my friend Leah is teaching english in Korea and on their way home from work last week they found this puppy on the side of the road shivering and crying in the rain. As I'm sure you know dogs in korea are not treated as well as here in canada and are often sold for food in back street markets.

They brought the puppy home, gave him a bath and called him Duncan. He seems fine and healthy and they are looking into finding a local vet that can take a look at him. They would just like to know how how old he is and what breed he is and any kind of problems they should be looking for.

In case you were wondering what is going to happen to Duncan when they come back to Canada... one of the other canadian teachers will be coming back to canada soon and wants to bring him back with her. Any wisdom on the procedure for bringing animals into canada would also be very helpful

Thanks

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What a cutie, I can imagine you friend wanting to help him.

I think this is a Cocker Spaniel puppy, only a few months old. Maybe 3 months.

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Contact the airline they will be flying on!

Cute puppy

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What a cutie! You might have to quarentine him for a short time, but yes, contact the airline.

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What a sweetie.

So nice to hear that Duncan is coming back here.

This should help.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/...rt/dogse.shtml

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what a nice puppy, where did she found it?, is there any more?......i love those breed its a cocker spaniel, i used to have one, and for the traveling isue, contact the air line and a vet, sometimes they need vaccines so they dont bring viruses where ever they are traveling. Good luck with the puppy.

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:( I'm afraid to say that I was just talking to my friend Leah in Korea and Duncan is not doing so well. He has the the runs and there is blood in it, and he threw up twice today. They have the vets appointment tommorow morning (there is a 12hour time difference) but he's not doing well at all.

To answer your question doglover, she found him outside in the rain crying and shivering in Seoul korea where she is teaching english.

Thanks for all you advice about getting him back to canada, I have passed them along.

Also, she told me today that there has been a name change from Duncan to Oliver.
I'll keep you all posted about the Vet visit as soon as I hear

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Yes, a Cocker - looks so much like my Blondie I had growing up. They are such sweet little dogs. Cuddle him for me. I hope he gets better. Poor little puppy! :(

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That is such a sad story,poor little Oliver,definetly a Cocker.At least he did not end up on someones dinner-plate :(
Hopefully it's something as simple as worms...he's really sweet and if he gets well,there should be no problems bringing him here to Canada,a long as he has all the vaxinations.Good Luck!!

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American Cocker, looks the same as Daisy did at that age, just a little darker.

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:( I was just talking to my friend Leah and the vets didn't go so well. The vet tested for parvo virus and it was negative, the vet says he has canine distemper.
So it looks like the pigs who through him out didn't bother to get him any shots, and for all we know threw him out because they alreay knew what my freind just found out.

The Vet told them that even if he makes it he will never fully recover and will suffer from respitory, and neurological problems.

can someone advise to what kind of life can he live now, if he does make it?

Also, I think we already know the answer to this, but will he be allowed into canada now? my guess is no!!!!

Thanks for your help

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This is just too sad!:( This poor baby has suffered so much and is so young.

There is no way to know what quality of life he can have if he survives. If the symptoms are very mild, he might have a good quality of life, perhaps with some lingering and chronic conditions.

If he lives, he will no longer shed the virus or be contagious.

I'm so sorry, both for your friend and for this puppy.:(

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Just to let everyone know that Oliver did not make it. He did seem to be improving but then he had really bad respitory problems and the vet recommended that the kindest thing for oliver was to put him to sleep.

My friend is pretty upset but feels better knowing that he is no longer suffering.

just thought i'd update everyone. :(

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Thanks for the update. I am so sorry to hear that the puppy did not make it. It is very hard to deal with animal illnesses in countries that do not put much importance on the life of an animal.

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I"m so very sorry to hear this, especially after looking at this sweet little face. At least someone loved him in the end. Not much comfort, I know.:(

R.I.P. baby Oliver!

Yet another innocent victim of cruel and uncaring people.

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Yes,it's very sad,but like many other dogs and cats in Korea,China etc..at least he did not end up destined for a cooking-pot,but into the hands of caring people,he got to know the gentle touch of you and your friend.
Sweet little Oliver,rest in peace.... :(

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Oh nooooo sweet little darlin!

Oliver ((hugs))

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I just know this is going to be contraversial, but I feel I have to make a comment as an advocate of all cultures of the world.

Chico, not all dogs in China and Korea end up in a cooking pot. Not even close. Those that do are generally large-breed dogs: German Shepherds, perhaps Rottweilers, St. Bernards and the like. Further, generally speaking, dogs that end up in a cooking pot were born and bred for consumption purposes only. No one ever named these animals, they're not someone's friend, they haven't been stolen from anyone, there is no six year old girl crying because her puppy didn't come home.

To understand why Chinese eat dog, you need to understand Chinese history. The Chinese people have been through horrific circumstances, millions died during the Great Leap Forward, they have seen such poverty and tragedy the likes of which we, born of developed countries, could not even DREAM of. Not even the younger generation of Chinese can begin to fathom what their parents and grandparents went through. During this period, there were severe food shortages and not enough food to distribute amongst the people of China let alone the dogs, so dogs simply never became pets. In a country and at a time when no one could afford frivoloty, eating dogs was a logical thing to do.

I love my dog. I love animals in general. I love cats, pigs, cows, ferrets, any animal you could name. Yet I still consume beef, chicken, pork, mutton, fish, seafood, and every other animal you can imagine on an almost daily basis. How can I help it? It's delicious! Having lived in China for 2 years, I can tell you that having pets in China is gaining popularity, and some people are as such developing an aversion to eating dog, but it is a delicacy anyway and not cheap so not commonly served. During my two years in China I've only eaten dog once. If the opportunity arose again, I'd probably be all over it.

Before you condemn me for my actions, or the actions of the rest of Asia, consider the following:

Pigs have been proven just as smart as dogs, yet we never consider this when we're eating ribs or bacon. We smile and talk about how delicious it is!

Also consider:

The Hindu religion views cattle as a sacred animal. Imagine eating your mother, and you will know how Hindi feel about people eating cows.

I realize that there are pertinent issues about animal rights that need to be addressed on a daily basis, but please, before you condemn a country for their dietary preferences, do a little research, open up your mind a little, and have a little cultural sensitivity. This, too, will make the world a better place.

I saw some propaganda on a street corner in Toronto once, and I was with my sister. There were posters of dogs and articles about how Koreans steal people's pets to eat them. My sister started to cry. I would guess that the activist promoting this propaganda had never been out of the comforts of her Industrialized Nation suburban home (my NSHO) and I told my sister not to believe everything she reads.

Consider also the conditions in Canadian and American slaughterhouses. If you want more information about beef, I strongly suggest reading Fast Food Nation (Eric Schlosser) - it may turn you off beef and fast food for life.

My point is that we are not so innocent. We have blood on our hands too, literally.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I prefer to think I'm a realist. Think on it! I know that no nation is perfect, but pinning stigmas like these on entire groups of people without accurate information is contrary to each and every cause mankind needs to stand for. We can't win any battle if we don't try to win every battle.

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ChinaCorey.
I am not totally ignorant,I too have travelled to many places in the world and not always lived in my nice Canadian small town.
Also I am very much aware of the happenings in our slaughterhouses and it sends shivers down my spine as did you,mentioning German Shepards,Rottweilers or any large breed for dinner.
I do understand culture being important in any society,but as we as people of the world evolve,become more educated,old myths like beating a living creature to tenderize the meat,or putting a living cat in boiling water to easier skin it,digesting sealtesticles for sexual power,killing bears for their paws is not done to stave off starvation,but rooted in traditions from hundreds of years ago.
Traditions involving the torture of other living beings in this world,not only in Asia,but bull-fighting,dog-fighting,cock-fighting is unacceptable in my own personal view,as is slaughter-house practises here in Canada.
As the world shrinks,we become privy to information we rather not know about,are bombarded with horrific pictures from Asia and other parts of the world and I am sorry,but the excuse of culture is no more acceptable.I am from Scandinavia(Sweden)the Vikings were killers and raiders,we burned"witches" at the stake,black cats were feared as the devils advocates but luckily our culture has kept only the wonderful traditions of a kinder gentler people.
I could go on and on,which I won't,but I felt an undertone in your post,insinuating I am a somewhat ignorant,sheltered female.The truth is I've probably seen as much of the world as you,not always liking what I see,turning a blind eye to things I cannot change,but also would never partake in or accept as traditions or culture.
With human rights issues in countries like China,North Korea,Vietnam etc..I can understand how animal rights are not high on anyones agenda,it's a question of survival for most families.
As for Hinduism,I know they revere not only their cows,but all living things and often due to their beliefs,the"holy"cows will suffer,dying in pain riddled with disease.In a perfect world,nothing and nobody would suffer pain and torture,but we all know how imperfect our world is.

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Dog eating is very controversial here in Korea too. Actually, I agree with most of what you wrote Corey, but in Korea at least, it's not 100% true. Local media recently ran a report here about people making bosintang (dog soup) out of any breed of dog, even from off the street, and sometimes someone's pet finds it's way into a cooking pot too. I've argued your point many times, and was horrified to hear this news (which my Korean husband related to me -- as far as I know it was never printed in the English media here). I assume it's the same in China, but of course I don't really know.

Also, (again in Korea) the dogs they do raise for eating seem to be very sweet, domesticated animals when you meet them. No, they are not being raised as pets but they still have the desire for companionship and I've seen them wag their tails at me and whimper for attention when I've walked by their cages at a dog farm. Additionally, the way in which they are killed is cruel, as Chico said. Arguably the way of killing other animals is equally cruel, but at least it isn't intentionally painful.

I do agree that it isn't the place for other countries to condemn this kind of practice, and in fact it seems to be counter-productive. I think that Korea and probably China too, will stop the practice altogether soon enough.

I'd also like to add that a lot of Korean dog-owners take dog raising very seriously and do get all the immunizations and pamper their dogs silly (there is a special 'dog mall' set to open soon that has all kinds of services for pets). The mistakes they make are understandable because they haven't been raising dogs as pets for very long and most of them don't have as much experience as the average westerner.

That's all I've got to say for myself tonight. Now off to bed...

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Chico, you've misunderstood me! I didn't mean to insinuate that you were anything. In fact, you've been very supportive to me about my own dog problems, I just wanted to counter the statement that you made on behalf of the nation of China, who might not read that message. I'm a teacher, all I want to do is teach.

Sorry for offending you, it wasn't my intent. And I didn't mean to project those characteristics on you; before you mentioned it I had no idea you were female or any of your other demographic information.

There are far more horrific things done to animals in China that I won't even begin to describe. The practice of eating them is less degrading than some of the things I've seen.

Moontamara, I recently went to a pig farm and was greeted the same way. The pigs were intelligent and all vying for my attention. I threw them some apples and watched as the biggest of the group tried to open the gate to his pen. It was all very amusing to see, but I didn't forget that these creatures nourish my body.

Chico, you definitely make strong and valid points that all deserve to be taken into consideration. If the practice of eating dog is stopped, it should be for reasons other than that some cultures keep dogs as pets, for all animals are equal in my eyes. I love dogs like I love cats like I love bears and dolphins and ostriches. I fully agree that there needs to be a world standard in treatment of animals, especially those used as food, and for those fighting for that cause, I applaud them. China has a lot of catching up to do in that department. If you'd seen some of the things I've seen, you'd probably lose your lunch. And a bit of sleep.

Every little bit helps, and I do my part every time I see someone doing something unethical to an animal, by asking them if they think the animal likes it. Some people think I'm crazy for asking, but I do it anyway.

I knew this would be a contraversial post, but it was one I couldn't resist posting anyway. For the record, dog meat is a delicacy and is consumed on rare occasions. Many of my students have never eaten dog meat and would never eat dog meat for myriad reasons, not the least of which being dog=pet=friend.

Because I've been living in China for 2 years I've become hyper-sensitive to any and all Chinese stereotypes, not just the practice of eating dog. I dare you to tell me Chinese people are bad drivers!!

I'm not sure if the methods of killing dogs is any more cruel than other species. Then again, I prefer not to think about how my dinner was killed.

Sorry again for any misunderstandings. Chico, it wasn't a personal attack on you. You made an innocent-enough comment, and had no idea that a nutcase like me would be refuting it.

Hope that's smoothed things over enough!!

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ChinaCorey,no offense taken Living in a country with 1 billion 300 thousand people trying to survive,I am sure you have seen and experienced many good and bad things.
I too love all animals,be it pigs,dogs,cows,cats or whatever and all I wish is that when slaughtered it would be done in a humane way and that while they are living,unlike our factory farms,they could be free of cages and pain.
We here in Canada are far from perfect,but we have been for many years trying to get an anticruelty law passed,which would also include farm-animals,slaughterhouses and live-stock transport,but our government keep shelving the bill.In the end it's all about $$$$ at least in North America.
Ps.The idea of"farming"the beautiful German Shepard,Rottweiler and St Bernards for consumtion,still make me cringes,there is a great difference between cows,pigs and dogs and cats.Although I do not wish pain and suffering on either.

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